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Plastic Buckets for Longer-Term Food Storage
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These are some kick butt plastic pails. I got a boat load back in the Y2K days and still have them! M & M Industries.
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It hardly makes sense to pay for food grade buckets when you have to use mylar bags anyway. That's because rats and mice can smell food through the buckets and will chew through them to get the food. (They can't smell through food grade mylar bags.) You can get general purpose plastic storage containers for about the same price and they will be much more useful after the food has been used. For example, Home Depot sells stackable plastic storage boxes with fold-lock lids for $8 apiece. They are about twice the capacity of a five gallon bucket.
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Do the storage boxes you mention seal like the buckets listed above or like the Gamma Seals shown at the link below?
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I found these storage containers recently.
Just what I had been looking for, I could see getting a whole bag of rice or beans into one of these. I realise that they are more expensive than the std 5 gallon buckets but think of the convenience. You would no longer have to have 6 buckets of the same product. 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Re: Plastic Buckets for Longer-Term Food Storage - BAD NEWS GUYS
I just got done relocating a few hundred pounds of grains (rice, beans, oats) to my new home away from zoombies. I packed these food grade buckets a few years ago, this is the results; Rice; full of weevils, total loss Oats; full of weevils, total loss Beans, (red, pinto, kidney, white northern, dried peas) haven't checked yet but it doesn't look good considering the condition of the other grains. THIS IS THE PROBLEM - Weevils are ALREADY in the grains, they must be killed BEFORE you pack them with dry ice, nitrogen or whatever inert gas. FREEZING for several days prior to packing kills the weevil larva. BAKING in 150 deg oven for a couple hours also kills the lava. I did not do that and am now paying the price. Looks like the local deer and squirrels are going to get a big holiday meal .... Be advised. My new approach will be to use mason jars instead, sealed and frozen to -10 below or cooked to 150 - I'll kill the little bastards before they hatch. Easier to use and rotate stock dried goods this way too. I'm going to put a stop to this bull$hit. |
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Minimus--
Just for everyone's education, were they packed with O2 absorbers in sealed mylar bags? And where were the grains stored (basement, other) that would give a hint to the temperatures there? Thank you for sharing your experience. |
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Its only fair to say I did use mylar bags and CO2 but no OX absorbers.
Mylar bags and CO2 simply does not equal the process of nitrogen packed sealed cans (and that's what the commercial outfits do). Mylar still leaks the inert gas over time unlike a metal can. OX absorbers work but do have a limited active life. That's why I'm going to the sealed mason jar method, it allows me to gas seal the contents and FREEZE/COOK it after packing to sterilized the grains and kill the larva. Remember, we must assume the grains are already infected with the weevil ! |
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I wouldn't heat your grains since you will likely comprimise their shelf life and make them unviable as seed. |
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I did plan to purchase a Nitrogen cylinder to displace the air in the storage container.
With this revelation it looks like it will be sooner than later. NBD I have a good source and with the large 20 gallon containers It will be a very large cylinder. |
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Dried grains have already been "heated" at the mill to extend shelf life, I don't think feed/milled grains are for planting. Three years was a long time without re gassing the contents ... If I did it over again (plastic buckets) I would purge the contents annually. |
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This is the Old fashioned way of doing it. It's more work than using a cylinder of Nitrogen or CO2. Also in an enclosed area the CO2 can be a problem. But that's the short answer. s |
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Thanks for that, I was thinking along the same lines but,
Would rather use CO2 Gas than Dry Ice more control and hopefully conservation of your gas. Quote:
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If you are conscientious either way should work well. I've never used a cylinder of gas before but I would think if you used a tube to put the gas into the bottom of the bucket you would achieve the same thing although much quicker. It might be beneficial to do it twice 30 minutes apart to let the CO2 settle in the bottem of the bucket and push the air completely out. Throw in a couple of O2 absorbers in the top to take care of any residual air and seal it up. s |
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I've had weevils in my grain buckets too but interesting enough, I just used plain old food grade buckets, no bags or oxy-absorbers, just dry ice. I've had mine packed for four years and only lost about 1/4 of my stock to weevils, mostly rice bugs. I think if I gassed up my buckets every year I wouldn't have any problems at all. |
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I think if you guys are having insect infestations after using CO2 then your not getting a high enough level of CO2 in your buckets. It needs to be nearly 99% oxygen free to ensure maximum shelf life, where as it only takes about a 35% CO2 concentration to kill all insect life in the grain in less then a month. If you removed anywhere near the amount of O2 needed to extend its shelf life, the insects would have all been killed by the concentration of CO2 present long before any oxygen diffused back into the bucket.
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Checking the lids proved to be the weakest link in my storage issues. Looks like the loose lids on #2 food grade buckets was the way in for the bugs for the oats, they were concentrated at the rim. The rice, it seems my loss was my shear stupidity, I got in a hurry and did not gas them, I know this because I didn't even unwrap the contents from the bags, just packed them in the buckets ... duh. The weevils showed up inside the bags ... this makes me agree with minimus that weevils are already in the grains as a common parasite and hatch afterwards. Other reputable sourcesI found on the web also confirm this. So now I'm repacking the good rice and gassing it up with dry ice like I did the oats and sealing the lids with those big o-rings. I'm still going to leave out the mylar bags, I still think its not really needed as long as a good seal and CO2 used. I would still check the contents and gass it once a year. Can't hurt. |
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I imagine it is possible to either not use enough oxy absorbers or use old ones. Also practice sealing some bags without food in them and check to see if your sealing technique is sound.NO WRINKLES on seam!
If you use the proper mylar bags and sufficient oxy absorbers and seal properly they should last for 20 years. Nothing can live in there under those conditions. If there are bugs living in there it follows there was oxy in there. So not removed in the first place or seal was bad. Adjust you procedures. I've cut open bags and resealed because I wasn't 100% sure of the seal..it sucks but better that way. http://www.sorbentsystems.com/order_O2.html |
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I found another possible source for the square food storage containers with screw on lids.
I made contact with the place I quoted below and first it was fine and I was about to purchase 4 of those 20 Gallon containers. Then after the sales person had all of my information she tacked on a handling fee that made each container amount to 100 each, That would have been double what the company's website listed as the cost of the items. I said screw it I wont pay 400.00 for 4 20 gallon FSC's. (Food Storage Container) I have been doing a web search off and on since then. Does anyone else have an interest in purchasing some of this style of FSC ? http://www.bereadyinc.com/DISPSRCH.ASP?ALL=Y Quote:
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A 20 gallon container full of rice will probably weigh 120 pounds.
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According to the places I have found that sell the FSC's they will hold 50 lbs of rice and or other types of foods with the same space density.
Flour would be heavier as it would take up more of the space in the container but if a 50 LB bag of rice fills up the container then how could it weigh 120 lbs ? Quote:
More sources of the 15-20 gallon square LTFSC's.. http://www.bereadyinc.com/DISPSRCH.ASP?ALL=Y http://www.nextag.com/gamma-plastic/search-html http://www.dealtime.com/xPO-Vittles-...14-X-14-X-20-h |
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Here is a thought
I have a bunch of approx. 10 foot long sections of large PVC pipe (approx. 12" dia) that I thought could be made into excellent storage containers. They could be cut to any length you desired Simply glue a cap on one end and a threaded cap onto the other. These pipes and fittings are water tight and could take a lot of pressure/or vacuum The screw cap end could be drilled, and fitted with a tire valve inserted up side down thus giving the container a "vacuum port" to remove all of the air inside. To make this container even better, a gauge could be added to a drilled and taped hole to monitor and check the vacuum inside. This should be rather easy to do, what do you guy's think? |
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